1 00:00:10,190 --> 00:00:06,440 the oldest and strongest human emotion 2 00:00:14,690 --> 00:00:10,200 is fear the oldest and strongest type of 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:14,700 fear is trepidation of young when we 4 00:00:21,290 --> 00:00:17,370 were children our parents told us that 5 00:00:23,929 --> 00:00:21,300 monsters didn't exist but we were sure 6 00:00:28,099 --> 00:00:23,939 that something is lurking under the bed 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:28,109 or in the closet fear seized even if our 8 00:00:33,740 --> 00:00:30,050 eyes are closed 9 00:00:36,770 --> 00:00:33,750 welcome to the realm of your cane my 10 00:00:39,770 --> 00:00:36,780 name is lon stripper join me as I 11 00:00:43,959 --> 00:00:39,780 examine unexplained creatures strange 12 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:43,969 manifestations and remarkable realities 13 00:00:50,569 --> 00:00:47,309 imagine this next hour as a voyage of 14 00:00:53,689 --> 00:00:50,579 discovered to strange lands seeking not 15 00:00:56,750 --> 00:00:53,699 for new territory but for new knowledge 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:00:56,760 of the supernatural come on board as we 17 00:01:04,630 --> 00:00:59,690 begin this adventure together 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,950 you 19 00:01:12,700 --> 00:01:10,450 hey folks good evening and welcome to 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:12,710 another episode of arcane radio 21 00:01:16,149 --> 00:01:14,810 I'm your host lawn Stricker and I thank 22 00:01:19,870 --> 00:01:16,159 you for joining me here on the 23 00:01:22,330 --> 00:01:19,880 paranormal king radio network you can 24 00:01:25,090 --> 00:01:22,340 access paranormal King at paranormal 25 00:01:26,710 --> 00:01:25,100 king Tom now before I introduce my 26 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:26,720 guests I want to mention a recent 27 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:29,690 account now the following report was 28 00:01:35,219 --> 00:01:31,970 provided by Manuel knob read over a UFO 29 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:35,229 Clearing House it looks like we got 30 00:01:41,740 --> 00:01:38,840 another report of a winged demon oide in 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:41,750 the Chicago area this occurred on Friday 32 00:01:49,060 --> 00:01:47,450 October 26 2018 at 12:30 a.m. the report 33 00:01:51,910 --> 00:01:49,070 was submitted by an older couple who 34 00:01:56,050 --> 00:01:51,920 worked at as an over-the-road team for a 35 00:01:57,730 --> 00:01:56,060 trucking company at Alsip Illinois they 36 00:01:59,980 --> 00:01:57,740 both have been driving together for over 37 00:02:02,499 --> 00:01:59,990 15 years I've been married for over 27 38 00:02:04,749 --> 00:02:02,509 years the gentleman was at the wheel the 39 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:04,759 truck when the encounter occurred and 40 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:07,929 his wife was in the passenger seat 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:10,640 Manuel stated that he spoke to both of 42 00:02:13,930 --> 00:02:12,170 them at the same time at a local 43 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:13,940 restaurant near the truck yard in Alsip 44 00:02:18,729 --> 00:02:17,120 Illinois him he said it both agreed to 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:18,739 have the story submitted but asked that 46 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:20,690 the names be kept confidential to the 47 00:02:24,580 --> 00:02:22,970 nature of the work and the fact that 48 00:02:27,850 --> 00:02:24,590 they did not want someone from their 49 00:02:30,490 --> 00:02:27,860 company who was also based in Houston to 50 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:30,500 find out about their sighting now their 51 00:02:37,270 --> 00:02:33,250 initial sighting report was as follows 52 00:02:39,789 --> 00:02:37,280 we were on our way to Parker truck in 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:39,799 the yard after being on the road for two 54 00:02:44,830 --> 00:02:43,010 weeks as we approached the railroad 55 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:44,840 track crossing we noticed something 56 00:02:48,670 --> 00:02:46,610 standing in the middle of the road and 57 00:02:52,210 --> 00:02:48,680 thought it was a homeless person walking 58 00:02:53,789 --> 00:02:52,220 along the tracks we popped on the high 59 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:53,799 intensity lights and to our surprise 60 00:03:00,340 --> 00:02:56,209 there was not a homeless person at all 61 00:03:03,729 --> 00:03:00,350 this thing looked like a large ow as it 62 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:03,739 had what as in it had what looked like 63 00:03:09,580 --> 00:03:06,650 feathers and a flat rounded face with 64 00:03:13,780 --> 00:03:09,590 large eyes that reflected the LED lights 65 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:13,790 on our truck this time this thing 66 00:03:19,410 --> 00:03:16,640 appeared to lunge at us while trying to 67 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:19,420 cover its eyes with its left arm I 68 00:03:23,410 --> 00:03:21,260 pulled on the air hole 69 00:03:26,229 --> 00:03:23,420 and this thing turned his back on us and 70 00:03:28,449 --> 00:03:26,239 then took a couple steps and then took 71 00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:28,459 off into the air and flew off into the 72 00:03:34,179 --> 00:03:32,540 night we were left sitting there in 73 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:34,189 complete shock and as we watched it 74 00:03:38,649 --> 00:03:36,590 disappear into the night after a minute 75 00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:38,659 or two of looking to see if the damn 76 00:03:43,569 --> 00:03:40,790 thing would come back around we 77 00:03:46,390 --> 00:03:43,579 continued into the yard we parked the 78 00:03:49,210 --> 00:03:46,400 truck and walked around towards the car 79 00:03:50,979 --> 00:03:49,220 and that knew and as we were almost at 80 00:03:53,890 --> 00:03:50,989 the car we heard what sounded like he 81 00:03:56,710 --> 00:03:53,900 screamed followed by another than then 82 00:03:58,930 --> 00:03:56,720 silence we hustled our tails of the car 83 00:04:01,839 --> 00:03:58,940 and left for home the manual states the 84 00:04:03,729 --> 00:04:01,849 area where the sightings occurred was 85 00:04:07,750 --> 00:04:03,739 heavily industrialized with a few 86 00:04:09,789 --> 00:04:07,760 industrial residential areas nearby the 87 00:04:12,430 --> 00:04:09,799 railroad crossing mentioned since 88 00:04:15,339 --> 00:04:12,440 approximately 3/4 of a mile from the 89 00:04:19,930 --> 00:04:15,349 entrance and is surrounded by wooded 90 00:04:22,350 --> 00:04:19,940 area at West 122nd Street and is across 91 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:22,360 the street from the coca-cola plant 92 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:25,400 Manuel said he had accompanied the 93 00:04:30,339 --> 00:04:27,050 couple to the location of the sighting 94 00:04:34,260 --> 00:04:30,349 and would be posting more information as 95 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:34,270 it comes in the future he said that the 96 00:04:40,420 --> 00:04:37,910 investigation is still ongoing and he's 97 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:40,430 in talks to talk to the local landowner 98 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:45,130 to get permission to post a trail cam 99 00:04:52,689 --> 00:04:47,840 see if he can possibly catch something 100 00:04:54,180 --> 00:04:52,699 so here again this is a new report it's 101 00:04:58,629 --> 00:04:54,190 been a while since we've got a report 102 00:05:01,000 --> 00:04:58,639 I'd say the last report we received in 103 00:05:03,820 --> 00:05:01,010 the Chicago area has been over six 104 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:03,830 months so let's see if this leads to 105 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:06,770 anything else so let's get started with 106 00:05:11,460 --> 00:05:09,409 the show tonight's guest is David 107 00:05:13,750 --> 00:05:11,470 Weatherly here's a paranormal researcher 108 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:13,760 cryptozoologist author and world 109 00:05:19,870 --> 00:05:17,060 Explorer David is a Renaissance man of 110 00:05:21,939 --> 00:05:19,880 the strange and supernatural he has 111 00:05:25,629 --> 00:05:21,949 travelled the world in pursuit of ghost 112 00:05:28,029 --> 00:05:25,639 cryptids UFOs magic and more from the 113 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:28,039 specters of dusty castles to remote 114 00:05:33,580 --> 00:05:31,490 haunted Islands from ancient sites to 115 00:05:34,540 --> 00:05:33,590 modern mysteries he has journeyed to the 116 00:05:38,350 --> 00:05:34,550 most unusual place 117 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:38,360 on the glowed seeking the unknown david 118 00:05:42,990 --> 00:05:40,730 shamanic and magical background has 119 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:43,000 given them a unique perspective in his 120 00:05:47,710 --> 00:05:45,170 explorations into the unknown and he 121 00:05:50,890 --> 00:05:47,720 continues to write travel and explore 122 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:50,900 leaving no stone on stone unturned 123 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:53,050 in his quest of the strange and unusual 124 00:05:58,150 --> 00:05:56,450 in 2012 David found the independent 125 00:06:00,700 --> 00:05:58,160 media and publishing company leprechaun 126 00:06:02,890 --> 00:06:00,710 productions he's a frequent guest on 127 00:06:05,860 --> 00:06:02,900 coast-to-coast am darkness radio and 128 00:06:07,450 --> 00:06:05,870 other radio programs devil has also 129 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:07,460 appeared on numerous television shows 130 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:10,130 including ancient aliens mysteries the 131 00:06:15,850 --> 00:06:12,530 national parks and beyond belief and he 132 00:06:16,990 --> 00:06:15,860 is also the co-founder of Society of the 133 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:17,000 supernatural 134 00:06:24,460 --> 00:06:21,730 so David thanks for joining me well 135 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:24,470 you're tough God pinned down man I got 136 00:06:33,130 --> 00:06:29,090 to tell you you keep busy no doubt about 137 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:33,140 that I mean yeah we tried to we tried to 138 00:06:40,570 --> 00:06:37,930 record a show earlier in the year and 139 00:06:43,450 --> 00:06:40,580 that just did pay now for some reason 140 00:06:49,090 --> 00:06:43,460 and we ran actually ran into each other 141 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:49,100 back in May of 2017 and talked a bit it 142 00:06:55,210 --> 00:06:52,370 was in fact this uh Chicago winged 143 00:06:58,690 --> 00:06:55,220 humanoid phenomena was just beginning 144 00:07:01,420 --> 00:06:58,700 really and we were discussing a bit of 145 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:01,430 that that was uh but that's the last we 146 00:07:07,930 --> 00:07:05,470 talked so so what's been going on lately 147 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:07,940 man I got so many projects going on I 148 00:07:11,980 --> 00:07:09,410 can barely keep track of it at this 149 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:11,990 point but it's all good as you know I 150 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:14,810 love what I see and absolutely stay on 151 00:07:19,690 --> 00:07:16,610 the move doing this stuff I literally 152 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:19,700 just got back home a couple days ago I 153 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:24,290 spent a week living in a haunted 154 00:07:31,690 --> 00:07:28,490 location and it streams the active 155 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:31,700 haunted location and it again something 156 00:07:36,250 --> 00:07:33,670 that no one has ever done before 157 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:36,260 and I'm not going to get too in-depth 158 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:37,850 about it we've got a project coming out 159 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:40,130 on this place but I can tell you it was 160 00:07:48,370 --> 00:07:44,930 octagon Paul in Kentucky and this place 161 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:48,380 Elan is just it is absolutely 162 00:07:56,710 --> 00:07:52,190 credible even the even the caretakers 163 00:07:58,900 --> 00:07:56,720 you know the owner and the the gentleman 164 00:08:01,030 --> 00:07:58,910 who manages the place you know they they 165 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:01,040 both say everyone hands down sanam I 166 00:08:11,470 --> 00:08:09,280 you know Dave Spinks and I would do some 167 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:11,480 research together and he and I had 168 00:08:18,130 --> 00:08:14,170 visited John Hall a couple years ago and 169 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:18,140 had been just really wanting to get back 170 00:08:22,510 --> 00:08:20,000 there and it just had to be the right 171 00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:22,520 thing it took some timing you know 172 00:08:28,300 --> 00:08:24,560 because of so many projects going on and 173 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:28,310 you know the right idea and it just kind 174 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:30,260 of struck me one day that you know what 175 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:31,850 I'm gonna see if they'll let us live in 176 00:08:37,089 --> 00:08:33,770 that place for a week and now they said 177 00:08:40,839 --> 00:08:37,099 yes right away and very gracious people 178 00:08:42,610 --> 00:08:40,849 that the owner Billy Boyd and the guy 179 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:42,620 who manages the place buried gone who 180 00:08:47,470 --> 00:08:44,570 also is now a member of society to 181 00:08:49,180 --> 00:08:47,480 supernatural both outstanding gentlemen 182 00:08:51,430 --> 00:08:49,190 and just showed us a great deal of 183 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:51,440 hospitality and I believe they thought 184 00:08:57,850 --> 00:08:53,120 we were a bit crazy you know living in 185 00:08:59,620 --> 00:08:57,860 the place but it is there it's one of 186 00:09:02,710 --> 00:08:59,630 those places that there's just so many 187 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:02,720 layers of activity and it's also one of 188 00:09:07,390 --> 00:09:05,150 those places that if you're in there 189 00:09:10,030 --> 00:09:07,400 five minutes you're probably going to 190 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:10,040 experience something it's just crazy I 191 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:12,610 mean there's somebody voices sounds 192 00:09:19,870 --> 00:09:16,490 everything we we sat around we would 193 00:09:23,740 --> 00:09:19,880 just randomly turn on a recorder and get 194 00:09:25,450 --> 00:09:23,750 EVPs it's it's that intense and like I 195 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:25,460 said fascinating the absolutely 196 00:09:30,610 --> 00:09:27,110 fascinating place history goes back 197 00:09:33,310 --> 00:09:30,620 before the Civil War so you know given 198 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:33,320 its location which is on the Kentucky 199 00:09:38,380 --> 00:09:35,210 border not not far from the Tennessee 200 00:09:41,110 --> 00:09:38,390 border excuse me and into the amount of 201 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:41,120 history and everything that occurred 202 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:43,010 there it's just it was a phenomenal 203 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:45,170 experience it really was yeah it was a 204 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:50,450 busy area during the Civil War you know 205 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:52,250 that'll be interesting when that project 206 00:09:57,460 --> 00:09:54,230 comes out I'll be looking forward to it 207 00:10:01,720 --> 00:09:57,470 you you've been involved in writing a 208 00:10:02,170 --> 00:10:01,730 series of haunted book series tell us a 209 00:10:04,829 --> 00:10:02,180 little bit of 210 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:04,839 that I think your four books right now 211 00:10:11,290 --> 00:10:08,720 we have two published and another one a 212 00:10:13,870 --> 00:10:11,300 couple more on the way okay that's with 213 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:13,880 another member of SOS that's a gentleman 214 00:10:22,750 --> 00:10:16,250 named Ross Allison he's my co-writer on 215 00:10:24,940 --> 00:10:22,760 that series and Ross Ross owns boots in 216 00:10:28,030 --> 00:10:24,950 Seattle goes to her company and 217 00:10:29,590 --> 00:10:28,040 obviously Seattle Washington and he has 218 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:29,600 a lot of experience in the field and he 219 00:10:35,350 --> 00:10:32,560 you know I met quite a few years ago and 220 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:35,360 it sort of talked back and forth you 221 00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:36,770 know online about doing a project 222 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:41,390 together and we we started talking one 223 00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:43,730 day about doing something and you know 224 00:10:47,260 --> 00:10:45,680 how those conversations go it wound 225 00:10:49,210 --> 00:10:47,270 around to something else and we came up 226 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:49,220 with this idea for doing a book on on 227 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:53,510 haunted toys which surprisingly no one 228 00:10:59,710 --> 00:10:56,690 had done before and you know we wanted 229 00:11:03,760 --> 00:10:59,720 to get a bit beyond just the dolls and 230 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:03,770 explore some of the other topics of of 231 00:11:08,380 --> 00:11:06,890 interest in terms of toys and toys and 232 00:11:11,829 --> 00:11:08,390 games and things like that that are 233 00:11:14,829 --> 00:11:11,839 haunted so we did the first book haunted 234 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:14,839 toys and it was pretty successful and 235 00:11:18,610 --> 00:11:16,910 you know in the course of that before it 236 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:18,620 was even finished really we decided you 237 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:21,290 know we should we can just take this 238 00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:24,050 into a whole series on different topic 239 00:11:29,199 --> 00:11:26,240 so the second one came up this year's 240 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:29,209 haunted ships and lighthouses and that 241 00:11:34,390 --> 00:11:32,930 one's a lot of fun to write to so we've 242 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:34,400 got that one and then the next one 243 00:11:39,910 --> 00:11:36,290 probably the next one out will be 244 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:39,920 haunted churches and you know one of the 245 00:11:43,300 --> 00:11:41,810 goals Ross and I have a couple of goals 246 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:43,310 where that one is that you know we want 247 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:45,190 to get these stories out there and get 248 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:48,610 hopefully correct versions of these 249 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:51,470 tales of hauntings out there 250 00:11:55,420 --> 00:11:53,180 and sometimes that's a bit challenging 251 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:55,430 you know the the hardships and 252 00:12:01,210 --> 00:11:58,490 Whitehouse's was a topic that fascinated 253 00:12:02,530 --> 00:12:01,220 that's both but it was I tell you it was 254 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:02,540 something really going in and 255 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:06,170 researching it because while while we 256 00:12:10,930 --> 00:12:08,690 had investigated a lot of the places in 257 00:12:12,940 --> 00:12:10,940 the book there were some that we hadn't 258 00:12:15,550 --> 00:12:12,950 and what you would find is going into 259 00:12:18,010 --> 00:12:15,560 these locations that have such a 260 00:12:20,410 --> 00:12:18,020 long history you'd get all these great 261 00:12:23,410 --> 00:12:20,420 stories but when you start digging in 262 00:12:27,220 --> 00:12:23,420 and finding the root of the story you 263 00:12:31,330 --> 00:12:27,230 sadly have to say well wait a minute you 264 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:31,340 know there's no real evidence of this so 265 00:12:35,470 --> 00:12:32,810 what exactly is going on here 266 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:35,480 and you know sometimes the history lines 267 00:12:39,850 --> 00:12:38,450 up you know sometimes you'll have you 268 00:12:41,860 --> 00:12:39,860 know lighthouse where a strange 269 00:12:43,450 --> 00:12:41,870 disappearance or a murder occurred or 270 00:12:47,170 --> 00:12:43,460 something like that but then you get 271 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:47,180 other stories other locations that have 272 00:12:53,290 --> 00:12:50,450 and they have great stories but there's 273 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:53,300 really nothing historically to back that 274 00:12:57,310 --> 00:12:54,890 up and that's what we look for you know 275 00:12:59,019 --> 00:12:57,320 now we present the information and we 276 00:13:01,360 --> 00:12:59,029 put it out there for people but you know 277 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:01,370 to clarify alone talking about a great 278 00:13:06,430 --> 00:13:04,130 example of that is the Queen Mary I know 279 00:13:08,530 --> 00:13:06,440 the Queen Mary is known has as one of 280 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:08,540 those haunted a lot of people touted as 281 00:13:11,829 --> 00:13:09,920 one of the most haunted locations in the 282 00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:11,839 country and so forth and you know it's a 283 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:16,640 haunted ship and yes it is haunted I had 284 00:13:20,590 --> 00:13:18,410 no doubts about that I've investigated 285 00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:20,600 the Queen Mary a number of times however 286 00:13:26,970 --> 00:13:23,120 when you really start looking at at some 287 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:26,980 of the stories they they are lacking in 288 00:13:31,870 --> 00:13:30,410 historical connections and for me you 289 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:31,880 know a ghost story can be pretty 290 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:33,050 fascinating 291 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:35,290 without the history but when you find 292 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:37,970 documentation that supports the 293 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:39,710 purported horney that takes it to 294 00:13:44,079 --> 00:13:42,170 another level for me so with the Queen 295 00:13:46,170 --> 00:13:44,089 Mary one of the most famous stories 296 00:13:50,140 --> 00:13:46,180 there's enough a little girl who 297 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:50,150 purportedly drowned in the pool but you 298 00:13:52,990 --> 00:13:51,410 know there's no evidence for that 299 00:13:56,380 --> 00:13:53,000 there's no historical documentation 300 00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:56,390 there's no ship's documentation there's 301 00:14:02,230 --> 00:13:58,490 no nothing in the news there's really 302 00:14:07,540 --> 00:14:02,240 nothing to prove yes this did indeed 303 00:14:10,620 --> 00:14:07,550 happen so you know sometimes what I find 304 00:14:12,579 --> 00:14:10,630 happens in some of these locations you 305 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:12,589 get a great story 306 00:14:20,199 --> 00:14:15,920 and the source of it ends up being well 307 00:14:22,150 --> 00:14:20,209 a psychic came and told us this and I'd 308 00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:22,160 be not for a moment discount psychic 309 00:14:28,540 --> 00:14:26,720 ability however you know sometimes if 310 00:14:30,610 --> 00:14:28,550 you get a singular person who 311 00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:30,620 comes in and spends a great story you 312 00:14:37,780 --> 00:14:33,920 know where's the where's the support for 313 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:37,790 that has a valid documented 314 00:14:42,490 --> 00:14:39,769 sighting of the ghost or the own 315 00:14:44,650 --> 00:14:42,500 experience and others just some of the 316 00:14:47,829 --> 00:14:44,660 things that you know we get to explore 317 00:14:50,050 --> 00:14:47,839 doing this haunted series well I'm all 318 00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:50,060 like you I you know I want to find out 319 00:14:57,579 --> 00:14:53,769 the history behind a phenomena if I can 320 00:15:00,550 --> 00:14:57,589 you know I can go into a location get a 321 00:15:02,319 --> 00:15:00,560 sense of something going on get a strong 322 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:02,329 sense of something going on but I want 323 00:15:07,870 --> 00:15:04,310 to look back and be able to find the 324 00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:07,880 history of it like a verification or 325 00:15:20,050 --> 00:15:10,670 some type but yeah you're right I mean 326 00:15:23,350 --> 00:15:20,060 it's oh yeah we've ever talked much 327 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:23,360 about pulpers on the show and I know 328 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:24,560 I've been on with you a bunch of times 329 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:27,350 it's been a while and we're going off on 330 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:28,730 a different track here but this is 331 00:15:33,790 --> 00:15:31,360 something that really fascinates me and 332 00:15:38,260 --> 00:15:33,800 I'll give you another example of this 333 00:15:42,430 --> 00:15:38,270 whole court fabrication so the myrtles 334 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:42,440 plantation yeah again another location 335 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:43,850 that's tattered is one of the most 336 00:15:49,660 --> 00:15:46,730 haunted places in the country it is 337 00:15:51,130 --> 00:15:49,670 indeed extremely haunted it's kind of 338 00:15:53,470 --> 00:15:51,140 like octagon I've been there a lot of 339 00:15:55,810 --> 00:15:53,480 times and you can sit outside at the 340 00:15:59,130 --> 00:15:55,820 myrtles and and get EVPs out on the 341 00:16:03,730 --> 00:15:59,140 patio and yeah it's that kind of a place 342 00:16:05,410 --> 00:16:03,740 however the myrtles most famous ghost 343 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:05,420 story one of those most famous ghost 344 00:16:13,090 --> 00:16:09,440 stories is about Chloe and has the tale 345 00:16:15,310 --> 00:16:13,100 goes there was a missile during slavery 346 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:15,320 period there was a female slave named 347 00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:21,110 Chloe who was the mistress of the 348 00:16:26,829 --> 00:16:25,310 plantation owner and the first thing 349 00:16:30,610 --> 00:16:26,839 that happened was Chloe was caught 350 00:16:32,530 --> 00:16:30,620 eavesdropping and has a result one of 351 00:16:37,210 --> 00:16:32,540 her ears was cut off so from that time 352 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:37,220 on she wore turban now after that Chloe 353 00:16:41,139 --> 00:16:39,890 got worried because she was getting 354 00:16:42,370 --> 00:16:41,149 older and thought she was going to be 355 00:16:45,250 --> 00:16:42,380 put out 356 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:45,260 to working in the fields again so she 357 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:49,910 contrived a plan to poison the children 358 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:51,650 that weren't home 359 00:16:57,700 --> 00:16:55,370 and only give them a mild poison and 360 00:16:59,950 --> 00:16:57,710 then nurse them back to health so that 361 00:17:01,870 --> 00:16:59,960 she would be you know sort of seen as a 362 00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:01,880 hero figure you know and save kids and 363 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:04,310 she made a mistake and used too much 364 00:17:11,940 --> 00:17:06,890 oleander has the story goes it's a very 365 00:17:16,570 --> 00:17:11,950 detailed story and the children died as 366 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:16,580 a result the other slaves were very 367 00:17:20,050 --> 00:17:19,310 angry and afraid that they were going to 368 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:20,060 be punished 369 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:23,750 so they chased Chloe down and caught her 370 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:28,160 and put her to death now this is an 371 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:34,930 incredible tale that does not bear up to 372 00:17:41,850 --> 00:17:38,810 historical examination and I'll tell you 373 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:41,860 a few years ago I was I was touring 374 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:44,510 general extra tour and I was I was 375 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:47,090 speaking on Tulpas the topic of help us 376 00:17:51,670 --> 00:17:49,370 and we'll get to that in science and I 377 00:17:54,220 --> 00:17:51,680 really activated some people when I 378 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:54,230 started talking about and basically blew 379 00:18:00,220 --> 00:17:57,770 this whole myth away about Chloe because 380 00:18:02,020 --> 00:18:00,230 the thing is when we poke into the 381 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:02,030 historical record you'll find that those 382 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:03,290 kids did die 383 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:05,810 yes but they died from yellow fever 384 00:18:10,900 --> 00:18:08,750 right because there was an epidemic in 385 00:18:14,860 --> 00:18:10,910 the region around that time furthermore 386 00:18:17,230 --> 00:18:14,870 it's proven that the plantation owner at 387 00:18:19,420 --> 00:18:17,240 the time was was well known in the 388 00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:19,430 region for being incredibly devoted to 389 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:22,640 his wife and had no reputation at all of 390 00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:25,280 having relationships with any of the 391 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:28,160 slaves or anything like that so you know 392 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:30,290 while we don't always have records of 393 00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:34,130 the slaves who were forced to work on 394 00:18:38,290 --> 00:18:36,320 these plantations here's a case where we 395 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:38,300 do have some records of the family that 396 00:18:45,630 --> 00:18:41,840 supports this whole tale not being true 397 00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:45,640 now a twist comes along in this because 398 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:48,920 there is a photograph that to my 399 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:50,690 knowledge has never been debunked 400 00:18:56,590 --> 00:18:53,210 it's an incredibly 401 00:19:00,010 --> 00:18:56,600 intriguing photograph is pre-digital and 402 00:19:04,380 --> 00:19:00,020 it is of the myrtles plantation that 403 00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:04,390 appears to show the ghostly form that 404 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:07,520 matches the a ghostly form that matches 405 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:09,890 the description of chloe standing 406 00:19:14,019 --> 00:19:12,260 outside of the village so you know this 407 00:19:17,019 --> 00:19:14,029 is this is pretty incredible and of 408 00:19:19,899 --> 00:19:17,029 course this begs you know another 409 00:19:22,269 --> 00:19:19,909 question how exactly is a spirit 410 00:19:23,019 --> 00:19:22,279 manifesting if it was never there to 411 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:23,029 begin with 412 00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:26,210 well my belief for that is that we go 413 00:19:37,419 --> 00:19:35,590 entity that is manifested from pure 414 00:19:39,850 --> 00:19:37,429 thought now that sounds a bit out there 415 00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:39,860 to some people you know initially but 416 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:43,070 there's a there's a rich history of this 417 00:19:48,460 --> 00:19:45,529 concept and if we step back for a second 418 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:48,470 and think about okay you know at this 419 00:19:53,289 --> 00:19:51,049 point every year thousands of people go 420 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:53,299 to visit the myrtles plantation and a 421 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:55,610 good portion of them are there to try to 422 00:20:01,570 --> 00:19:58,730 catch up on support' right so you know 423 00:20:03,970 --> 00:20:01,580 what does what does that energy of all 424 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:03,980 those people create what does it 425 00:20:11,470 --> 00:20:08,210 contribute to the location and to 426 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:11,480 whatever is there so you know we have we 427 00:20:14,110 --> 00:20:12,890 can really go down a rabbit hole with 428 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:14,120 this and think about all right well 429 00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:17,360 we've either got an entity that is being 430 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:18,799 co-created by the collective 431 00:20:22,659 --> 00:20:21,260 consciousness or you know we could 432 00:20:24,399 --> 00:20:22,669 simplify that right well there's a 433 00:20:26,289 --> 00:20:24,409 spirit there that is just choosing to 434 00:20:28,090 --> 00:20:26,299 manifest in the form of corley because 435 00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:28,100 that's what everyone is expressing and 436 00:20:32,289 --> 00:20:30,230 you know these things to me are even 437 00:20:34,060 --> 00:20:32,299 more fascinating than just a cool ghost 438 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:34,070 story in some ways because now we're 439 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:36,770 getting into the human interaction the 440 00:20:40,659 --> 00:20:38,990 you know the human energy field the 441 00:20:42,820 --> 00:20:40,669 collective consciousness and a whole lot 442 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:42,830 more things that really could start 443 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:44,169 taking us in a direction of 444 00:20:49,810 --> 00:20:46,970 understanding more about ghostly 445 00:20:51,730 --> 00:20:49,820 manifestations in general well you know 446 00:20:54,130 --> 00:20:51,740 the top-line thought-form theory has 447 00:20:56,350 --> 00:20:54,140 been something I've been looking into or 448 00:20:59,260 --> 00:20:56,360 an aspect I've been looking into for 449 00:21:02,769 --> 00:20:59,270 quite a while now it's um and I you're 450 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:02,779 right I believe a lot of what people see 451 00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:05,210 that manifest argue the thought forms at 452 00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,020 all or whatever you want to call 453 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:09,840 but well just like just like poltergeist 454 00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:12,450 activity it's a thought form for the 455 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:14,580 most part I mean there may be something 456 00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:17,220 there that may help it to manifest there 457 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:19,230 may be an energy there that may increase 458 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:21,809 it but for the most part it's it's a 459 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:24,720 living person that's actually creating 460 00:21:33,159 --> 00:21:30,390 the manifestation and you know I this 461 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:33,169 was a this was something that we were 462 00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:36,630 contemplating while we were investigated 463 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:39,000 that Chicago winged humanoid phenomena 464 00:21:46,039 --> 00:21:42,690 were these becoming thought forms were 465 00:21:48,409 --> 00:21:46,049 these were these manifestations that 466 00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:48,419 people were actually looking for this 467 00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,520 thing and thought they actually saw it 468 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:53,520 but you know they that they may have to 469 00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,890 actually created it and you know mm-hmm 470 00:22:00,169 --> 00:21:58,080 we weren't sure you know I didn't you 471 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:00,179 know it was tough to really find out or 472 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:02,250 know how many people knew of what was 473 00:22:08,779 --> 00:22:05,700 going on but it was just one of the many 474 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:08,789 theories that we had bouncing around but 475 00:22:14,659 --> 00:22:11,760 yeah you're right I haven't I you talked 476 00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:14,669 about a location like the myrtles 477 00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:16,260 plantation where you've got a lot of 478 00:22:21,740 --> 00:22:19,110 people that go there and are expecting 479 00:22:23,659 --> 00:22:21,750 something to happen or to expecting to 480 00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:23,669 see something and their collective 481 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:27,960 consciousness manifest something yeah we 482 00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:32,130 battle ardently absolutely and you know 483 00:22:37,130 --> 00:22:35,940 I think first of all it it is the theory 484 00:22:40,340 --> 00:22:37,140 has been around for a long time 485 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:40,350 of course Alexander David Miele in the 486 00:22:44,899 --> 00:22:42,690 early 1900s brought the concept of 487 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:44,909 helpers back from to death brought it to 488 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:48,890 the west and of course classical Western 489 00:22:53,899 --> 00:22:51,330 magical traditions talk about thought 490 00:22:55,940 --> 00:22:53,909 forms and really the two they don't 491 00:22:58,580 --> 00:22:55,950 quite correlate exactly but they're very 492 00:23:01,460 --> 00:22:58,590 similar the concepts are very similar 493 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:01,470 but you know this this idea of Topher's 494 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,570 within the realm of paranormal or 495 00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:05,520 supernatural studies there's something 496 00:23:10,399 --> 00:23:08,190 that comes around its cycles constantly 497 00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,409 and you see you know John keel wrote 498 00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,720 about pulpo's and and worked at the 499 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,159 concept for a while even more and 500 00:23:18,650 --> 00:23:16,440 Coleman did for a while a lot of a lot 501 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:18,660 of writers in the modern era 502 00:23:24,670 --> 00:23:21,750 look this concept now my theory on this 503 00:23:28,330 --> 00:23:24,680 is that we've really moved into a new 504 00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:28,340 era if you would or a new level of the 505 00:23:35,660 --> 00:23:30,900 possibility of these things manifesting 506 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:35,670 and what I mean by that is that we now 507 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:38,730 more than ever have a way for the 508 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:41,010 collective consciousness of humanity to 509 00:23:45,140 --> 00:23:43,190 connect at the speed of light because 510 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:45,150 now we have the Internet 511 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:49,050 absolutely and you know a an idea or 512 00:23:56,150 --> 00:23:53,250 Tanja can go around the world in you 513 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:56,160 know and no talk now you know where has 514 00:24:01,940 --> 00:23:58,410 you know in the old days of course it 515 00:24:03,740 --> 00:24:01,950 had to go you know and it's gradually 516 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:03,750 gotten faster obviously as we progress 517 00:24:10,220 --> 00:24:05,490 you know now you can post something on 518 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:10,230 on a you know social media and a few 519 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:11,610 months later or someone on the other 520 00:24:15,650 --> 00:24:13,890 side of the world is probably reading it 521 00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,660 so we have to start questioning all 522 00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:18,000 right what is that link going to in turn 523 00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:20,580 create you know I again I don't know if 524 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:22,140 we've talked about this topic or not but 525 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:24,210 you know Slenderman that was anything 526 00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:26,490 but I talked about a lot a few years ago 527 00:24:32,150 --> 00:24:28,140 when I was doing the bless your own 528 00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:32,160 focused and you know Slenderman is a 529 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:36,270 weird phenomena if you will and I know 530 00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:38,970 some people get aggravated that you know 531 00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:40,860 it gets linked in with paranormal stuff 532 00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:43,020 but here's a reality it was created it 533 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:45,480 was completely fabricated on the 534 00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:49,290 Internet has has a part of a contest and 535 00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:51,540 for listeners who don't know the whole 536 00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:53,700 history of Slenderman and there was a 537 00:24:59,120 --> 00:24:56,760 forum called something awful these guys 538 00:25:03,500 --> 00:24:59,130 decided to have a contest and come up 539 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:03,510 with a paranormal themed something that 540 00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:05,640 they could make go viral on the Internet 541 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:07,500 that was national intent of the initial 542 00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:09,690 part of the contest and the course you 543 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:10,620 know people are doing all these 544 00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:12,810 photoshop aliens and cryptids and all 545 00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:15,420 kinds of things and a long times this 546 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:18,720 guy user named Victor Serge who created 547 00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:25,710 a very subtle image of this creepy 548 00:25:32,370 --> 00:25:29,000 figure lurking in the background of 549 00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:32,380 playground and he 550 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:35,500 started developing this story and he 551 00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:37,990 really he brought us a modern boogeyman 552 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:40,270 essentially is what he did he he he 553 00:25:46,290 --> 00:25:42,610 brought us the Slenderman which 554 00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:46,300 initially didn't even have a name was at 555 00:25:50,460 --> 00:25:48,190 one point called the operator and then 556 00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:50,470 what's called the Slenderman two words 557 00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:52,710 it all kind of morphed into Slenderman 558 00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:55,150 Slenderman took over that thread 559 00:25:59,490 --> 00:25:57,160 completely all these other people 560 00:26:02,550 --> 00:25:59,500 started contributing they created a 561 00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,560 modern mythos around this character they 562 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:04,720 created you know wood blocks that showed 563 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:07,090 him in the 15th century I was crazy 564 00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:10,570 and there was a video series created 565 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:14,200 about this character know what became 566 00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:17,050 disturbing about this is that yeah their 567 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:20,740 concept did go viral but what happened 568 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:24,550 was people independently who had not 569 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:27,130 seen this on the internet started 570 00:26:30,930 --> 00:26:29,530 reporting encounters with a figure that 571 00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,940 matched the description of the 572 00:26:36,450 --> 00:26:33,520 Slenderman then you tell me what the 573 00:26:38,130 --> 00:26:36,460 heck is going on with that now that to 574 00:26:41,180 --> 00:26:38,140 me I think that is the collective 575 00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:41,190 consciousness co-creating something into 576 00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:44,550 existence because sadly you know humans 577 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:49,120 a lot of times default to fear you know 578 00:26:54,540 --> 00:26:52,510 the the negative emotions get a riddle 579 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:54,550 spike in energy and a real reaction from 580 00:27:00,060 --> 00:26:56,650 people and when you throw these things 581 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:00,070 out there it causes a chain reaction and 582 00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:02,410 I think that's what the cases with the 583 00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:04,750 Thunder man you know these 584 00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:06,460 manifestations that I was telling people 585 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:08,950 it was really bizarre because the last 586 00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:11,290 lecture I gave on that tour the talk 587 00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:14,950 letoure was you know I was warning 588 00:27:20,670 --> 00:27:16,540 people I said we haven't seen the last 589 00:27:22,410 --> 00:27:20,680 of this Slender Man mythos and it has 590 00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:22,420 the potential for becoming something 591 00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:24,190 very disturbed and you need to be aware 592 00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:26,440 of it and just a couple of months later 593 00:27:31,260 --> 00:27:28,660 there was the case in Wisconsin where 594 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:31,270 these two girls tried to kill their 595 00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,050 school their classmate because of this 596 00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:36,880 whole Slenderman they believe they 597 00:27:40,830 --> 00:27:38,860 bought into this mythos of the 598 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:40,840 Slenderman and thought they were going 599 00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:43,630 to go live in his you know house in the 600 00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:45,940 forest or something so you know these 601 00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,360 are 602 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:48,880 very disturbing powerful energies that 603 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:51,730 were sort of tinkering around with and 604 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:54,130 you know as investigators and 605 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:56,290 researchers I think that's something 606 00:28:00,650 --> 00:27:58,330 that we're going to need to be aware of 607 00:28:03,780 --> 00:28:00,660 in the future 608 00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:03,790 you know just putting wild speculation 609 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:09,220 out there without much proof can you 610 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:10,570 know you can see right there with that 611 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:13,510 phenomena what can happen and you're 612 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:15,850 right I mean it it's something that I've 613 00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:18,330 been thinking about for quite a while 614 00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,560 you know when you when you hear of 615 00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:23,440 something well you hear of somebody's 616 00:28:28,110 --> 00:28:25,180 seeing what does say for instance a 617 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:28,120 humanoid of some type or an unknown 618 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:31,450 creature and the first thing one of the 619 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:32,770 first things you got to think about it 620 00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:36,610 well is is is this real or is this 621 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:40,960 something that's manifested you know for 622 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:44,650 you know by a living or by human being I 623 00:28:51,450 --> 00:28:48,850 mean you know I think out some of the 624 00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:51,460 modern phenomena can be it can be 625 00:28:59,160 --> 00:28:53,230 attributed to that as well 626 00:29:01,920 --> 00:28:59,170 oh sure potentially yeah I mean you you 627 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:01,930 did you bring back the the Myrtle's 628 00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:06,460 plantation sightings and you know you 629 00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:08,260 start thinking about somebody other 630 00:29:13,790 --> 00:29:11,320 haunted areas were people and am that 631 00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:13,800 being photographed as well it's just 632 00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:17,020 it's just mind-blowing it really is I 633 00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:20,350 agree with it this is this is something 634 00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:23,320 we're all gonna be to need to keep be 635 00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,480 aware oh you know you know Tim Renner 636 00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:31,120 you I think you had done a show with him 637 00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:34,060 and talking about TOPAS with him as well 638 00:29:38,910 --> 00:29:36,160 this is something him and I have talked 639 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:38,920 about in particular we live in the same 640 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:42,100 part of the state Pennsylvania and some 641 00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:45,130 of the stuff that just pops up as it's 642 00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:47,560 it's like why you can't believe what you 643 00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:49,480 saying you know where does that come 644 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:52,750 from you know is this something I saw 645 00:29:58,940 --> 00:29:55,770 was this something I manifested you know 646 00:30:00,859 --> 00:29:58,950 it gets to the point where 647 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:00,869 are these things manifesting and 648 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:05,730 actually staying around our part of our 649 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:10,289 reality tune those yeah that's that's 650 00:30:17,739 --> 00:30:12,090 certainly potentially I mean and then 651 00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,749 you know part of what is both 652 00:30:21,859 --> 00:30:19,679 frustrating for some people and 653 00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:21,869 fascinating for others in this field is 654 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:24,470 that when you really start to question 655 00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,090 some of these things and seriously 656 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:30,480 question the potential for the origin 657 00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,970 point or the you know the explanation 658 00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:34,799 for some of these things it really 659 00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:37,470 throws you down the rabbit hole because 660 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:40,919 you have to consider these different 661 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:42,690 concepts and this just being one of them 662 00:30:46,249 --> 00:30:44,850 I mean really you know if you go whole 663 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:46,259 different direction and say okay well 664 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:48,570 what about all of these things you know 665 00:30:53,629 --> 00:30:51,330 why are so many weird sightings it's a 666 00:30:56,180 --> 00:30:53,639 strange encounter one-off encounters you 667 00:30:58,749 --> 00:30:56,190 know what's going on here and you know 668 00:31:02,269 --> 00:30:58,759 how does this play in with a lot of 669 00:31:04,999 --> 00:31:02,279 tribal and native police that we've 670 00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:05,009 moved into a time where a lot of these 671 00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:08,820 portals and gateways to other dimensions 672 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:12,059 are starting to open up and that's 673 00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,609 another fascinating topic I mean quantum 674 00:31:17,299 --> 00:31:16,559 science is now looking at that and 675 00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:17,309 saying oh yeah 676 00:31:21,099 --> 00:31:18,659 you know there's other dimensions of 677 00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,109 existence so you know just just 678 00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:23,820 acknowledging that and thinking about 679 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:27,720 that saying whoa okay you know I I had a 680 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:31,230 I had a tribal elder tell me many many 681 00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:33,090 years ago well well before this whole 682 00:31:37,999 --> 00:31:35,700 all the quantum science though you know 683 00:31:40,249 --> 00:31:38,009 he he told me he was telling me a story 684 00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:40,259 about this other race that used to live 685 00:31:44,409 --> 00:31:42,419 here and how they left and he said well 686 00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:44,419 they departed through you know 687 00:31:50,479 --> 00:31:47,480 translated has a shimmering doorway and 688 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:50,489 you know of course my question was can 689 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:53,129 they you know well you know where is 690 00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:55,049 that doorway you know and of course it's 691 00:32:00,080 --> 00:31:56,820 in an area that's taboo to Native 692 00:32:02,299 --> 00:32:00,090 Americans now and you know you start 693 00:32:07,849 --> 00:32:02,309 looking at these questions and you think 694 00:32:09,349 --> 00:32:07,859 okay well just because they you know we 695 00:32:10,999 --> 00:32:09,359 can't get to these other dimensions 696 00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:11,009 doesn't mean that they can't still get 697 00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:12,870 here and so 698 00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:15,150 those dents explained you know some of 699 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:18,750 what people are singing okay because you 700 00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:20,460 know the reports I don't know about you 701 00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:21,720 I know you get a lot of reports and 702 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:24,960 everything you know I've had people ask 703 00:32:29,299 --> 00:32:27,510 me in the past year people are always 704 00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:29,309 asking me on shows and interviews and 705 00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,590 stuff what do you think activity is on a 706 00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,140 downturn and I just kind of Chuck my no 707 00:32:40,670 --> 00:32:36,960 not at all it's far from it's on an 708 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:40,680 upswing you know and really I mean III 709 00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:42,570 see it tracking there the last several 710 00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,520 years it just increases more and more 711 00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,320 each year as far as I'm concerned now 712 00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:48,000 the waves are more defined which is 713 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:49,380 interesting because you know you'll get 714 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:52,050 a whole flap of of UFO sightings and 715 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:53,730 then that'll go quiet for a little bit 716 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:55,770 but then over here you'll see a whole 717 00:33:01,280 --> 00:32:58,050 you know oh here we've got six months of 718 00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:01,290 intense Sasquatch encounters so it's 719 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:03,960 really strange how you have to look at 720 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:05,610 it holistically I think if you were 721 00:33:09,650 --> 00:33:07,650 looking at only one phenomena you might 722 00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:09,660 say well okay you know we've got kind of 723 00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:12,960 a low cycle right now but overall in 724 00:33:17,049 --> 00:33:14,670 terms of strange phenomena I think we're 725 00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:17,059 on an incredible upswing oh absolutely 726 00:33:21,410 --> 00:33:19,559 yeah I mean you know of course we had to 727 00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:21,420 flap in Chicago and that lasted for 728 00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:23,790 about seven or eight months we've had a 729 00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:25,710 few sightings all here and there while I 730 00:33:30,770 --> 00:33:28,860 read one beginning of show and we've had 731 00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:30,780 sightings in other parts of the country 732 00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:34,260 as well in particular down Florida where 733 00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:35,640 we had a group of settings down there 734 00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:37,980 and we've had several sightings up in 735 00:33:45,530 --> 00:33:41,700 Ontario so you know yeah you're right 736 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:45,540 and this just keeps happening just like 737 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:47,010 you're breaking on sightings in 738 00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:47,850 Pennsylvania 739 00:33:53,540 --> 00:33:49,830 something that has can you know we had a 740 00:33:55,460 --> 00:33:53,550 flat floor for about a year then it wind 741 00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:55,470 up but we're still getting sightings but 742 00:34:00,260 --> 00:33:58,440 you know you're right it has increased 743 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:00,270 people you know I don't know why people 744 00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:02,850 are on the impression it has increased I 745 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:05,550 don't know it's because well maybe we're 746 00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:08,610 getting more bizarre sightings and why 747 00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:10,260 is that going on is that an innard 748 00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:13,020 eventual phenomena or like you said 749 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:15,300 before is a tall boat or something like 750 00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:20,010 that but it it is very strange yeah and 751 00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:20,790 you know you bring up something 752 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:23,750 interesting there's this whole you know 753 00:34:29,809 --> 00:34:26,700 another crazy topic a dog man 754 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:29,819 right because really you know if you 755 00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:32,280 look at dog man 756 00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:35,639 sightings overall there's there's some 757 00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:39,179 pretty big gaps of time you know whether 758 00:34:42,619 --> 00:34:41,220 it's really nothing reported and it 759 00:34:44,899 --> 00:34:42,629 doesn't seem much of anything is going 760 00:34:48,319 --> 00:34:44,909 on now we've got classic werewolf 761 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:48,329 stories out of Europe and of course 762 00:34:55,309 --> 00:34:50,609 something I've looked at quite a bit as 763 00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,319 is early colonial times in America you 764 00:35:02,410 --> 00:34:57,420 actually there's quite a few sightings 765 00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:02,420 of werewolves and you know they're 766 00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:05,160 they're crazy accounts I mean there's 767 00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:07,859 five year your territory Pennsylvania 768 00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:10,140 you know there was one I wrote about it 769 00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:13,230 I found missed account that loggers were 770 00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:17,040 having trouble because these werewolves 771 00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:23,040 were harassing the logging parts that 772 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:24,180 were coming down you know they were 773 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:27,690 attacking the horses so they painted hex 774 00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:30,930 symbols on the wheels of the wagons in 775 00:35:35,059 --> 00:35:33,089 an effort to ward off these werewolves 776 00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:35,069 now obviously you know these are 777 00:35:37,819 --> 00:35:36,569 European settlers they're coming over 778 00:35:40,789 --> 00:35:37,829 and that's what they're identifying it 779 00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,799 has you know really we can equate the 780 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:42,960 two you know okay werewolf dog man yeah 781 00:35:47,299 --> 00:35:44,730 pretty much the same thing you look at 782 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:47,309 the descriptions if you leave out the 783 00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:51,089 whole movie folklore of you know being 784 00:35:57,740 --> 00:35:53,190 bitten and transformed and all that you 785 00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:57,750 know the fanciful story aspects so you 786 00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:59,640 know we've got that period and then we 787 00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:01,740 have a few sporadic things like the 788 00:36:07,220 --> 00:36:05,640 defiance werewolf and you know things 789 00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:07,230 like that but then we've got this whole 790 00:36:14,809 --> 00:36:12,900 modern wave of dog man signs and I just 791 00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:14,819 I find it pretty fascinating now 792 00:36:19,789 --> 00:36:17,369 initially you know I saw a lot of they 793 00:36:23,049 --> 00:36:19,799 thought well this is this is weird you 794 00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,059 know you take out the Bray Road stuff is 795 00:36:28,839 --> 00:36:26,400 sort of isolated and my friend Linda 796 00:36:32,299 --> 00:36:28,849 Godfrey has done incredible work on that 797 00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:32,309 but you know you go outside that you 798 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:34,140 only get a few isolated incidents here 799 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:36,450 and there until recently you know and 800 00:36:40,030 --> 00:36:37,650 now obvious things are popping up 801 00:36:41,830 --> 00:36:40,040 everywhere and you know 802 00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:41,840 my first inclination when they start 803 00:36:47,230 --> 00:36:43,880 showing up frequently was you know I 804 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:47,240 wonder if people are seeing you know 805 00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:50,050 sasquatch-like creatures that are just 806 00:36:55,570 --> 00:36:52,550 you know for some reason they're 807 00:36:58,270 --> 00:36:55,580 equating it to you know werewolf or a 808 00:37:00,760 --> 00:36:58,280 dog man type of fame but they've just 809 00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,770 become too defined at this point and 810 00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,000 there's there's some of these encounters 811 00:37:06,610 --> 00:37:04,400 that you know that people are describing 812 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:06,620 seeing these things very very clearly 813 00:37:12,430 --> 00:37:10,310 and it's it's obviously they're 814 00:37:15,070 --> 00:37:12,440 describing something that's an upright 815 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:15,080 caiman as opposed to you know typical 816 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:17,810 Sasquatch description so it's just an 817 00:37:24,010 --> 00:37:22,250 intriguing intriguing phenomena yeah you 818 00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:24,020 know butch Bukowski and I have been 819 00:37:29,350 --> 00:37:25,820 looking into this now for almost I guess 820 00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:29,360 about four years but when we started 821 00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:30,920 getting reports out of Pennsylvania 822 00:37:34,570 --> 00:37:33,110 that's one of the things we started 823 00:37:36,610 --> 00:37:34,580 thinking well people actually seen 824 00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:36,620 Bigfoot and I dismiss it you know 825 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:40,640 identification or are their minds kind 826 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:43,850 of you know making them thinking 827 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:45,890 something other than a sasquatch or or 828 00:37:50,350 --> 00:37:48,110 whatever but no you're right they're 829 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:50,360 very defined they're very defined 830 00:37:58,030 --> 00:37:53,210 descriptions they're not embellishing on 831 00:38:00,760 --> 00:37:58,040 this stuff these these upright canines 832 00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:00,770 are huge I mean for the most part 833 00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,190 they're taller than any Bigfoot sighting 834 00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,320 in that particular area we've had them 835 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:09,200 up to nine to ten foot you know and the 836 00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:11,570 descriptions are coming up with and this 837 00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:13,220 is you know we started calling them 838 00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:18,350 lichens because they if you're familiar 839 00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:20,630 with the underworld series I mean the 840 00:38:25,810 --> 00:38:23,060 descriptions are very similar to what 841 00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:25,820 people see in that in and muta those 842 00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:28,520 movies so right I mean are they 843 00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:30,590 associated Matt with the movies I don't 844 00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:31,790 know it's hard to tell if that's it 845 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:34,550 if that's actually what's going on but 846 00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:37,700 you're right he does pop up in waves and 847 00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:41,020 in fact down in Maryland back in the 848 00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:44,510 1960s and 70s in Frederick County 849 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:46,940 Maryland there were like seven reports 850 00:38:53,470 --> 00:38:52,250 at that time just on break a night and 851 00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,480 they were 852 00:38:58,349 --> 00:38:55,520 very specific reports as well and in 853 00:39:01,690 --> 00:38:58,359 fact I talked to one of the witnesses 854 00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:01,700 who hadn't won an encounter with one of 855 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:03,380 these things back in the nineteen it 856 00:39:10,359 --> 00:39:07,510 back in 1964 and when he was a boy and 857 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:10,369 he saw something I don't know what 858 00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:12,310 exactly it was but it was something in 859 00:39:21,790 --> 00:39:15,260 his description and the way he talked 860 00:39:24,490 --> 00:39:21,800 about it was very disturbing yeah yeah 861 00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,500 but again you know some of those again 862 00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:26,720 they're set to these isolated cases you 863 00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:29,150 know I Bray Road and the Maryland 864 00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,190 sightings and things like that in the 865 00:39:35,530 --> 00:39:33,200 past but you know for some reason in 866 00:39:38,109 --> 00:39:35,540 recent times I mean we we've just got 867 00:39:40,510 --> 00:39:38,119 this massive wave of these things the 868 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:40,520 cropping up everywhere and there are 869 00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,170 regional their regional explanations or 870 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:47,119 some of you know I think the Bray Road 871 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:49,310 stuff is something very unique now maybe 872 00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:50,690 those things spread out from there I 873 00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,300 don't know you know of course in my 874 00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,040 territory the Southwest we've got 875 00:40:01,599 --> 00:39:57,200 accounts of skinwalkers that go way back 876 00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:01,609 to you know early early European 877 00:40:06,849 --> 00:40:04,340 expansion days so you know those have 878 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:06,859 always been there but you know 879 00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:08,570 whatever's going on now with all these 880 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:10,280 dog man sightings it's just kind of 881 00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:14,330 crazy right you know while we're on 882 00:40:20,349 --> 00:40:16,550 together I want to mention that you and 883 00:40:23,470 --> 00:40:20,359 I both had a mutual friend passes past 884 00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:23,480 your Jesse Johnson I know you and Jesse 885 00:40:29,590 --> 00:40:26,630 were involved with some investigations 886 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:29,600 in the past when you talk about weird 887 00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:34,090 phenomena canids 888 00:40:42,099 --> 00:40:37,670 Bigfoot a lot of other strange things I 889 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:42,109 mean Jesse always comes to mind I'm 890 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:47,330 telling you I mean some some of the 891 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:49,490 investigations that he was involved in 892 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:53,650 on the reservation were quite intriguing 893 00:41:00,220 --> 00:40:55,970 you know he gave me a lot to write about 894 00:41:04,180 --> 00:41:00,230 for good a good amount of time yeah I'm 895 00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:04,190 feeling that man I tell you because he 896 00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:06,200 was a good friend and a good 897 00:41:11,350 --> 00:41:07,550 investigator 898 00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:11,360 you know it was yeah I'm thankful that I 899 00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:12,950 you know that he was my friend and I got 900 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:14,390 to spend time and field with him and 901 00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:18,650 everything and he's he's a good example 902 00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:23,630 of you know one of my one of the things 903 00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:26,600 I believe about investigating in this 904 00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:29,720 field is that there's always the human 905 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:31,700 component in terms of who you choose to 906 00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:33,650 spend a lot of time in the field with 907 00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:36,740 and who you investigate with and whether 908 00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:39,380 it's a haunted location or whatnot you 909 00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:42,680 can have people who participate who 910 00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:46,190 would just not by their own fault but 911 00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:47,960 who are just the energy killers you know 912 00:41:56,380 --> 00:41:53,540 they just alter the interaction the the 913 00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:56,390 experience whatever it is and you know 914 00:42:00,670 --> 00:41:58,850 I've seen these people that you can take 915 00:42:02,290 --> 00:42:00,680 them into the most haunted location on 916 00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:02,300 the planet and nothing will happen that 917 00:42:09,070 --> 00:42:06,830 night this place doesn't live up to his 918 00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:09,080 height and they automatically assume 919 00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:10,670 that something wrong with the location 920 00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,960 and I always say well wait a minute 921 00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:14,480 let's back up and you know let's think 922 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:16,550 about the people you were there with the 923 00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:18,530 combination of people you know sometimes 924 00:42:23,830 --> 00:42:20,120 not always a person sometimes it's the 925 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:23,840 combination of people and you know I 926 00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:26,930 tried very hard to primarily investigate 927 00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,350 with people that you know I have a good 928 00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,240 connection with it I know you know 929 00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:34,880 things I will experience things with and 930 00:42:41,860 --> 00:42:38,750 no I tell you man in JC and I whenever 931 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:41,870 we went out things just went nuts it was 932 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:44,570 really you just never knew what to 933 00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:45,580 expect 934 00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:49,040 yeah I know I was one of a kind 935 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:53,060 i I had seen some of the films and such 936 00:42:58,690 --> 00:42:55,610 and I've heard the stories and you've 937 00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:58,700 told me before it just seems like these 938 00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:02,560 things were drawn to JC for some reason 939 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:05,480 you know I remember you you had all been 940 00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:09,530 at a campsite together and things 941 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:11,660 started getting thrown into the campsite 942 00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:14,810 and all kinds of crazy stuff was gone 943 00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:20,900 yeah yeah well we had another 944 00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:25,040 we were on reservation territory and up 945 00:43:33,310 --> 00:43:30,800 in the Four Corners region and we we 946 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:33,320 were pretty high elevation that was you 947 00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:35,570 know of course it's supposed to be clear 948 00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:37,990 but you know how that works right now 949 00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:40,460 we've got this rain that came in that 950 00:43:50,830 --> 00:43:46,150 night and I had grabbed the wrong tent 951 00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:50,840 what I left that weekend and this tent I 952 00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:53,110 was in started leaking like a sieve and 953 00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,130 middle of the of the night and yeah so I 954 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:01,280 got up and well you know screw this I'll 955 00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:03,770 just go sleep in the Jeep I got in my 956 00:44:09,610 --> 00:44:07,550 Jeep put the seat all the way back you 957 00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:09,620 know and what went back to sleep to the 958 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:12,430 sound of this pouring rain had a 959 00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:15,530 soft-top Jeep you know sale sell for top 960 00:44:21,250 --> 00:44:18,920 100 at the time and it was the weirdest 961 00:44:24,310 --> 00:44:21,260 thing because you know I'm - sleep and 962 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:24,320 then you know that feeling like when 963 00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:27,050 you're like you know and you're on a 964 00:44:31,870 --> 00:44:28,900 boat or something not a gentle rocking 965 00:44:35,530 --> 00:44:31,880 and I'm kind of half asleep half awake 966 00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:35,540 and I'm feeling like I'm walking and you 967 00:44:40,930 --> 00:44:38,300 know I kind of bring myself back to 968 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:40,940 consciousness on this thinking wait a 969 00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,730 minute and you know as I'm waking up I 970 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:46,160 realized that the whole Jeep is rocking 971 00:44:51,550 --> 00:44:49,610 yeah and something was on the back 972 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:51,560 corner of that Jeep just pushing it down 973 00:44:58,240 --> 00:44:55,090 up and down just like making it you know 974 00:45:01,840 --> 00:44:58,250 making the Jeep rock and of course you 975 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:01,850 know I jumped up and I you know grabbed 976 00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:03,530 my sidearm because he knows what was 977 00:45:09,070 --> 00:45:06,680 gonna be out there and pitch black and 978 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:09,080 of course as soon as I it upright you 979 00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:12,530 know the it stopped and whatever it was 980 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:15,500 was you know took off and no I couldn't 981 00:45:19,780 --> 00:45:18,170 even really hear it over the way but you 982 00:45:21,610 --> 00:45:19,790 know just a brief glimpse of something 983 00:45:24,610 --> 00:45:21,620 kind of running away I knew it wasn't 984 00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:24,620 one of guys because it was porn ring so 985 00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:26,060 you know it's just one of the many 986 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:27,740 things I mean there's always something 987 00:45:33,460 --> 00:45:31,610 like that and fortunately you know I've 988 00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,470 had a lot of I guess you could say 989 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:34,880 fortunately yeah oh 990 00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:36,730 all of those types of experiences and 991 00:45:43,809 --> 00:45:39,710 you know try to I strive to work with 992 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:43,819 people that the energy just kind of 993 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:47,450 dives right one yeah one of the one of 994 00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:50,210 the stories that I never would kind of 995 00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,140 figured out with JC was when he was 996 00:45:59,259 --> 00:45:57,920 describing this winged Bigfoot now I 997 00:46:02,499 --> 00:45:59,269 don't know if you ever talked to you 998 00:46:05,230 --> 00:46:02,509 about that but on the mace the the 999 00:46:07,299 --> 00:46:05,240 Bigfoot up on the Mesa that was had the 1000 00:46:11,950 --> 00:46:07,309 wings on him and he swore up and down 1001 00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:11,960 that was he saw this thing and I don't 1002 00:46:16,990 --> 00:46:14,990 know what he saw I mean but you know 1003 00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:17,000 when JC talked about things it sounded 1004 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:20,720 pretty convincing yeah I mean he you 1005 00:46:25,859 --> 00:46:23,569 know yeah I remember that story and it 1006 00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:25,869 was kind of you know it's like the whole 1007 00:46:31,539 --> 00:46:29,089 thing that happened up in the northwest 1008 00:46:36,990 --> 00:46:31,549 and it did just kind of leave you 1009 00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:37,000 shaking your head I'll say this you know 1010 00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:40,630 I've investigated all over the world and 1011 00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:44,750 the Navajo Reservation is one of the 1012 00:46:51,789 --> 00:46:47,089 strangest places on this planet hand 1013 00:46:54,009 --> 00:46:51,799 Audria because it just it's it is a it 1014 00:46:54,759 --> 00:46:54,019 really is a different world in more ways 1015 00:46:59,049 --> 00:46:54,769 than one 1016 00:47:01,710 --> 00:46:59,059 and it's hard for people of the conceit 1017 00:47:04,210 --> 00:47:01,720 of that unless they've experienced it 1018 00:47:05,799 --> 00:47:04,220 okay it's a spooky experience driving 1019 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:05,809 across that reservation in the middle of 1020 00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:08,089 the night there's no you know unless 1021 00:47:13,269 --> 00:47:10,460 you're near a city there's no white 1022 00:47:18,430 --> 00:47:13,279 pollution there's you know the landscape 1023 00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:18,440 is almost alien and it has beautiful but 1024 00:47:23,890 --> 00:47:21,710 it also has a different quality of 1025 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:23,900 different strangeness about it but you 1026 00:47:29,049 --> 00:47:27,170 just can't fully describe unless you 1027 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:29,059 experience it yourself and the weird 1028 00:47:33,339 --> 00:47:31,609 thing is is that I'll tell you some of 1029 00:47:38,799 --> 00:47:33,349 the stories even to this day but I still 1030 00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:38,809 get from that region you know if if they 1031 00:47:42,970 --> 00:47:40,670 weren't being told to me by the people 1032 00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:42,980 that they are I would say get out of 1033 00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:45,680 here yeah but I mean these are people 1034 00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:47,000 you know I share these accounts from 1035 00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:48,380 people that have 1036 00:47:57,489 --> 00:47:52,160 no reason to fabricate no reason to you 1037 00:47:59,529 --> 00:47:57,499 know but they know no benefit to them 1038 00:48:03,400 --> 00:47:59,539 making up these stories or anything else 1039 00:48:07,089 --> 00:48:03,410 and I tell you weird weird things man 1040 00:48:11,229 --> 00:48:07,099 you know I had someone show me these 1041 00:48:11,859 --> 00:48:11,239 tracks a lot of these things are like 22 1042 00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:11,869 inches long 1043 00:48:18,809 --> 00:48:16,640 ya know you know just trying to wrap 1044 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:18,819 your head around I mean you know we find 1045 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:22,210 Sasquatch tracks are found all over the 1046 00:48:28,569 --> 00:48:25,130 planet right almost and you know you 1047 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:28,579 hear of wide range of sizes and you get 1048 00:48:34,779 --> 00:48:30,650 into these ranges that are you know 15 1049 00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:34,789 16 18 it's just 22 inches this is much 1050 00:48:41,499 --> 00:48:37,670 these didn't stop to think okay how tall 1051 00:48:42,999 --> 00:48:41,509 is this place and you go back to you and 1052 00:48:45,069 --> 00:48:43,009 you hear these stories from people on 1053 00:48:47,229 --> 00:48:45,079 the reservation that report seeing these 1054 00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:47,239 creatures that are ten feet tall or more 1055 00:48:54,190 --> 00:48:50,720 oh yeah and you think oh my gosh you 1056 00:48:56,229 --> 00:48:54,200 know what what is going on and that 1057 00:48:58,450 --> 00:48:56,239 sounds absurd to people who don't 1058 00:49:01,959 --> 00:48:58,460 understand that 1059 00:49:06,279 --> 00:49:01,969 there's a lot of territory on that 1060 00:49:08,890 --> 00:49:06,289 reservation and not many people yeah 1061 00:49:12,729 --> 00:49:08,900 well that's true you know I mean that's 1062 00:49:16,209 --> 00:49:12,739 the one thing I should cherish with JC 1063 00:49:17,979 --> 00:49:16,219 was he went out with the camera and he 1064 00:49:22,329 --> 00:49:17,989 was interviewing people and it was 1065 00:49:24,940 --> 00:49:22,339 letting them tell what occurred yeah 1066 00:49:29,229 --> 00:49:24,950 especially with the furry one encounters 1067 00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:29,239 I mean if JC would would come on and 1068 00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:31,369 tell you about that you would think well 1069 00:49:35,019 --> 00:49:33,049 this guy's seeing stuff but you know 1070 00:49:37,959 --> 00:49:35,029 when when the property had the native 1071 00:49:40,989 --> 00:49:37,969 people coming on there who actually had 1072 00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:40,999 the encounter and he'd go to each family 1073 00:49:45,219 --> 00:49:42,529 member and you know they tell you 1074 00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:45,229 exactly what was going on it's like oh 1075 00:49:53,499 --> 00:49:48,190 my god I I believe he's people 1076 00:49:55,539 --> 00:49:53,509 something's going on out there yeah 1077 00:49:57,700 --> 00:49:55,549 because I mean you know like you said 1078 00:50:01,760 --> 00:49:57,710 you you hear him first you know out of 1079 00:50:05,810 --> 00:50:01,770 context and you think okay you know what 1080 00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:05,820 what's this diet know that waiting in to 1081 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:09,440 come up with these stories but no it's 1082 00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:12,090 not at all man I mean what's up and you 1083 00:50:15,859 --> 00:50:13,950 know to put in context for people I 1084 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:15,869 always like to point this out but not 1085 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:21,330 the Navajo Nation it's oh now I can't 1086 00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:24,050 remember the figure it's around 27,000 1087 00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:28,940 it's just over 27,000 square miles 1088 00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:32,760 now with within that there's only about 1089 00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,630 300,000 people oh yeah so you know you 1090 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:38,880 stop and think about those figures and 1091 00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,890 you know bear in mind like anywhere else 1092 00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:42,720 that people are concentrated around the 1093 00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:46,980 cities you know so you have a few big 1094 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:49,260 cities on the rez and that's where most 1095 00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:51,690 people live you know I got a few people 1096 00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:53,790 out in the territories but there's large 1097 00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:55,710 portions of that reservation that you 1098 00:51:01,550 --> 00:50:57,510 can wander across all day and not see 1099 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:01,560 anybody so you know this is one of the 1100 00:51:08,540 --> 00:51:04,890 reasons that I think that some of these 1101 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:08,550 things are in existence on that 1102 00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,290 reservation it's one of the many reasons 1103 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:12,480 but you know there's plenty of territory 1104 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:15,330 for them to be there and you know just 1105 00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:18,330 not be encountered by humans a large 1106 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:21,270 portion of the time well I gotta give 1107 00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:23,609 you one thing JC of mayest a lot of 1108 00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:25,320 different things one of the things I 1109 00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:28,350 never even thought existed but being 1110 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:29,910 associated with him for the number of 1111 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:32,490 years I was able to get the information 1112 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:37,410 from him I I had to take everything in 1113 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:42,210 consideration now because you know the 1114 00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:44,490 witness reports and then him going 1115 00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:47,340 firsthand and talking to people you know 1116 00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:49,230 it really brought it to me you know it 1117 00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:52,500 really brought it out there and it's 1118 00:51:59,500 --> 00:51:55,710 you're right it is and it is a stranger 1119 00:52:04,220 --> 00:51:59,510 it's a magical area it really is oh yeah 1120 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:04,230 well investigators and JC was one of 1121 00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,050 those guys who you know his approach was 1122 00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:12,720 yeah there's the stories that you know 1123 00:52:17,810 --> 00:52:15,480 in in the old days he would have been 1124 00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:17,820 you know wisdom keeper of storytellers 1125 00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:19,560 you know who just gathered the accounts 1126 00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:22,859 and you know I think that's how I can't 1127 00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:25,140 speak for him but from my perspective I 1128 00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:27,180 think that was the role he was 1129 00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:30,270 fulfilling you know he was he put 1130 00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:32,609 himself out there and he he didn't judge 1131 00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:33,230 people 1132 00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:37,830 he wasn't critical you know or you know 1133 00:52:42,380 --> 00:52:40,200 he didn't bash people with his with 1134 00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:42,390 skeptical attitude or anything like that 1135 00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:45,540 he he took people at face value and he 1136 00:52:49,099 --> 00:52:47,160 should tell you know he would say tell 1137 00:52:53,810 --> 00:52:49,109 me what you experienced you know what 1138 00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:53,820 tell me what happened and just because 1139 00:52:58,420 --> 00:52:56,520 he did that I think he brought comfort 1140 00:53:03,050 --> 00:52:58,430 to a lot of people because I you know 1141 00:53:05,210 --> 00:53:03,060 some of these things that is you know 1142 00:53:07,099 --> 00:53:05,220 people are experiencing they just me and 1143 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:07,109 I experienced that myself you know a lot 1144 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:09,090 of people come to me they just want to 1145 00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,530 tell their story they want somebody to 1146 00:53:14,570 --> 00:53:12,720 listen to them that they know is not 1147 00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:14,580 going to say you're nuts you need 1148 00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:17,670 medication you know or anything like 1149 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:21,240 that they just want to say this is what 1150 00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:22,290 happened to me 1151 00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:26,070 you know it's this that I just want to 1152 00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,540 tell somebody you know somebody who 1153 00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:29,760 doesn't think I'm crazy or anything else 1154 00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:35,310 so hmm yeah yeah well we're all gonna 1155 00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:36,990 miss him there's no doubt we you know 1156 00:53:42,830 --> 00:53:38,670 we're gonna miss him for a long time 1157 00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:42,840 quite frankly have to over so you you 1158 00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:45,600 had begun a project the wood knocks 1159 00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:48,840 project for a Bigfoot research you've 1160 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:50,340 had three books come out you're gonna 1161 00:53:59,540 --> 00:53:56,090 continue with that I think so you know 1162 00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:59,550 what not series is subtitles a 1163 00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:01,800 journalist Sasquatch research and my 1164 00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:03,900 concept for that from the beginning was 1165 00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:07,740 to get out pieces from other people 1166 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:10,020 other researchers in the cryptozoology 1167 00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,450 field who you know had something to 1168 00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:14,400 share that maybe it wasn't big enough 1169 00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:16,140 for a full book you know if they wanted 1170 00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:17,790 to do this for just one particular topic 1171 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:19,470 or something like that or a series of 1172 00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:24,930 accounts and I'm really happy with the 1173 00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:27,300 ones that have come out so far it's you 1174 00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:28,440 know just had an 1175 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:31,500 credible list of my friends and 1176 00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:32,730 colleagues from the field that have 1177 00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:36,150 contributed so far Lyle Blackburn Ken 1178 00:54:46,059 --> 00:54:41,849 Gerhard Josh Loren Coleman you know just 1179 00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,069 a whole litany people from the field and 1180 00:54:50,359 --> 00:54:48,720 provided you know people are still 1181 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:50,369 interested in reading it which I think 1182 00:54:54,109 --> 00:54:52,050 they are because number three has done 1183 00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:54,119 very well and I've gotten a lot of 1184 00:55:00,079 --> 00:54:56,940 responses on it and provided people 1185 00:55:01,540 --> 00:55:00,089 still want to you know contribute yeah 1186 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:01,550 we'll keep going with it 1187 00:55:07,099 --> 00:55:03,930 excellent you've got a book coming out 1188 00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:07,109 soon I want to state that you don't use 1189 00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:16,130 yeah you know living in the desert so 1190 00:55:22,339 --> 00:55:17,790 wrong you know I've really explored the 1191 00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,349 region and when I started digging into 1192 00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:24,480 stuff in Nevada I was pretty fascinating 1193 00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:30,540 because the like you said stated it you 1194 00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:33,960 rarely hear any yeah you know but man 1195 00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,390 there are reports there are reports now 1196 00:55:42,579 --> 00:55:38,880 I wrote a piece for one of the wood 1197 00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,589 knots on Bigfoot sightings in Nevada and 1198 00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:45,119 you know just kind of following the 1199 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:48,119 trail and of course going back to some 1200 00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,530 of the native connections and 1201 00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:52,079 associations with encounters in Nevada 1202 00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,940 that was pretty revealing in and of 1203 00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:55,920 itself of course we have Lovelock cave 1204 00:56:01,640 --> 00:55:58,700 is in Nevada which is a really famous 1205 00:56:04,670 --> 00:56:01,650 location associated with Sasquatch type 1206 00:56:07,339 --> 00:56:04,680 creature and there's a lot more digging 1207 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:07,349 in it was it was pretty surprising I 1208 00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:10,050 tell you what probably surprised me the 1209 00:56:19,700 --> 00:56:17,280 most there are a whole number of water 1210 00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:19,710 monsters in Nevada 1211 00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:23,250 now that's bizarre because Nevada is the 1212 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:27,540 driest state in here so you would not 1213 00:56:32,829 --> 00:56:29,490 expect this for a moment 1214 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:32,839 but man there's a bunch of so you've got 1215 00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:36,089 Tahoe Tessie which of course you know 1216 00:56:41,180 --> 00:56:39,510 Lake Tahoe and borders Nevada it 1217 00:56:42,410 --> 00:56:41,190 straddles the border of Nevada and 1218 00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:42,420 California 1219 00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:44,790 but there's a lot of sightings a long 1220 00:56:50,180 --> 00:56:46,950 history of sightings of something in 1221 00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:50,190 that Lake but then you go down a little 1222 00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:51,780 bit you've got Walker Lake which 1223 00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:54,420 purportedly has a serpent and then one 1224 00:57:01,070 --> 00:56:57,180 of my favorites these stories of water 1225 00:57:04,220 --> 00:57:01,080 babies up in Pyramid Lake and that's 1226 00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:04,230 just the bizarre set of tales and and 1227 00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:06,510 you know kind of puzzling G because 1228 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:09,030 Pyramid Lake it's very picturesque it's 1229 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:12,210 been using a lot of movies fairly famous 1230 00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:15,330 you know the image is famous but a lot 1231 00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:18,480 of strange deaths in that lake and a lot 1232 00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:20,510 of tales that go all the way back to 1233 00:57:26,620 --> 00:57:23,100 native-american times of some kind of 1234 00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:26,630 bizarre creatures dwelling in that lake 1235 00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:28,980 well I definitely look forward to 1236 00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:33,950 reading that should be honest with 1237 00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:37,200 what's there it should be out probably 1238 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:39,510 with it within a few weeks to a month no 1239 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:41,610 I'm great yeah you know you're thinking 1240 00:57:48,109 --> 00:57:43,530 about of you think of UFOs but you don't 1241 00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,119 think a whole lot else right yeah I look 1242 00:57:53,330 --> 00:57:51,119 forward to that so um so David how can 1243 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:53,340 people get in contact with you and do 1244 00:57:58,340 --> 00:57:56,130 you have any if you have any other 1245 00:58:02,359 --> 00:57:58,350 things going on to where you're going to 1246 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:02,369 be appearing oh man I've got a whole 1247 00:58:09,830 --> 00:58:05,250 list of stuff so you can find the books 1248 00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:09,840 at amazon.com and there's a have an 1249 00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:11,369 author page on there if you just search 1250 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:13,380 my name or search one of the boats and 1251 00:58:17,950 --> 00:58:16,290 go to the author page it will be able to 1252 00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:17,960 keep up with releases as they come out 1253 00:58:23,390 --> 00:58:21,240 there's a blog just search again search 1254 00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:23,400 my name on Google 1255 00:58:27,859 --> 00:58:25,710 David Weatherly paranormal or whatever 1256 00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:27,869 and you'll you'll find it it'll also 1257 00:58:31,070 --> 00:58:29,820 come up under two crows paranormal 1258 00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:31,080 blogspot.com 1259 00:58:35,330 --> 00:58:33,480 it hasn't been real active recently just 1260 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:35,340 because I've been so dying on position 1261 00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:40,410 oh yeah I've been busy but I do try to 1262 00:58:46,580 --> 00:58:43,980 post things on there there is a video 1263 00:58:48,620 --> 00:58:46,590 project couple of them coming out after 1264 00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:48,630 the first of the year and I'll be 1265 00:58:52,849 --> 00:58:51,150 releasing more information about that on 1266 00:58:54,830 --> 00:58:52,859 social media of course I'm on Facebook 1267 00:58:55,820 --> 00:58:54,840 you can check out Society of a 1268 00:58:57,620 --> 00:58:55,830 supernatural 1269 00:58:59,840 --> 00:58:57,630 Facebook a lot of what I do is posted 1270 00:59:03,920 --> 00:58:59,850 there as well as other members of the 1271 00:59:06,590 --> 00:59:03,930 organization I will be you and I both be 1272 00:59:11,780 --> 00:59:06,600 at the Bigfoot camping adventure yes sir 1273 00:59:14,090 --> 00:59:11,790 in May I'm not sure all right and that I 1274 00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:14,100 think it's filling up pretty quick and 1275 00:59:18,830 --> 00:59:16,440 that is that's a stellar line of people 1276 00:59:22,460 --> 00:59:18,840 so that is going to be a fantastic 1277 00:59:27,020 --> 00:59:22,470 fantastic great event yeah yeah that's 1278 00:59:30,140 --> 00:59:27,030 gonna be an amazing event and oh gosh 1279 00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:30,150 I'm at our conference in Texas in March 1280 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:31,830 that's a Bigfoot conference in Houston 1281 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:34,890 I'm at a ghost conference in March on 1282 00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:37,170 that I'm doing a cruise this year 1283 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:42,720 oh man you put me on the spot I can't 1284 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:44,010 even remember him I'll be I'll be 1285 00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:46,170 speaking I'll be speaking in British 1286 00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:50,880 Columbia again this year so yeah I'm I'm 1287 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:53,880 all over the place and if people are 1288 00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:55,530 free to contact me if you go to the blog 1289 00:59:59,840 --> 00:59:57,780 there's a link on there for email if you 1290 01:00:02,420 --> 00:59:59,850 have an account to share or anything 1291 01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,430 else you can email me directly and I do 1292 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:05,040 try to get back to people and as as 1293 01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:07,050 we've stated tonight I stay on the move 1294 01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:09,900 a lot on the road a lot but um I do try 1295 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:12,390 to get back to people at least and I'm 1296 01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:13,890 always always interested in hearing 1297 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:17,700 accounts we've got silver state Monsters 1298 01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:19,650 as the Nevada boat that's coming out 1299 01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:21,870 within the next couple of weeks I also 1300 01:00:27,290 --> 01:00:23,550 have a book in the pipeline that should 1301 01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:27,300 be out fairly soon called creepy 1302 01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:31,200 companions and it it is a history of 1303 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:35,040 haunted dolls this is a full in-depth 1304 01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,090 history that examines haunted dolls and 1305 01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:41,040 the magical use of dolls national 1306 01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:43,350 original use of dolls as well as 1307 01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:45,720 contemporary haunted dolls and just kind 1308 01:00:50,740 --> 01:00:48,420 of the whole runs the whole gamut I'm 1309 01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:50,750 real happy with how this one came out 1310 01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:53,160 Ross and aya Ross and I will have 1311 01:00:57,590 --> 01:00:54,780 another book in our haunted series out 1312 01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:57,600 after the first year man I told you I 1313 01:01:01,040 --> 01:00:59,160 got tons of stuff going on so that's 1314 01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:01,050 nice that's just the first few things 1315 01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:03,540 off the top of my head well I'll have to 1316 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:07,110 try to get your schedule on here you 1317 01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:09,570 know within the you know within 1318 01:01:12,890 --> 01:01:11,190 reason so we can start talking about 1319 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:12,900 some of those other stuff you got coming 1320 01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:17,490 out so David thanks again for joining me 1321 01:01:21,860 --> 01:01:19,260 it's been a pleasure and it's keep in 1322 01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:21,870 contact yeah 1323 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:26,910 take care now listeners can show support 1324 01:01:31,250 --> 01:01:28,890 for arcane radio by 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